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Post by Brophdog88 on Dec 27, 2023 16:24:14 GMT -8
no just makes wings better on the wing as they should be. its dumb if everyone is starting a big at sf no, because the game already lets wings shoot 50% from three with volume. That plays into it. |
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Post by kobe on Dec 27, 2023 16:24:26 GMT -8
if bigs have good perimeter d then that just inflates wings
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Post by kobe on Dec 27, 2023 16:24:33 GMT -8
deflates*
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Post by kobe on Dec 27, 2023 16:25:30 GMT -8
it sucks when a wing doesnt have value if he doesn't have C+ reb or higher
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Post by kobe on Dec 27, 2023 16:25:59 GMT -8
thats how it became last version
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Post by Brophdog88 on Dec 27, 2023 16:26:15 GMT -8
it sucks when a wing doesnt have value if he doesn't have C+ reb or higher yes, we shouldnt let bigs play SF either with that. The solution is not, give them all shit perimeter d though because that makes scoring bigs more and more inefficient. |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Dec 27, 2023 16:28:18 GMT -8
I dont understand the bitching about the market though, its the same shit in any creation draft. Everybody chose a direction then and very few are going to be changing that direction two years in when there isnt even really an FA. All players expire next year (which is insane). so into next season people will start trying to win. The only real movers and shakers are gonna be the people that failed to win when trying to. Everybody had a shot at most of these players and chose somebody else. They all have the same deals, all the same length, there just isnt huge motivation to make big swings until things shake out.
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Post by kobe on Dec 27, 2023 16:29:36 GMT -8
it sucks when a wing doesnt have value if he doesn't have C+ reb or higher yes, we shouldnt let bigs play SF either with that. The solution is not, give them all shit perimeter d though because that makes scoring bigs more and more inefficient. not sure what perimeter defense has to tdo with their efficiency. but yea if you want to play a B+ or A- big at SF then there needs to be some kind of penalty |
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Post by Meathead on Dec 27, 2023 16:30:15 GMT -8
Trade
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Post by kobe on Dec 27, 2023 16:30:32 GMT -8
I dont understand the bitching about the market though, its the same shit in any creation draft. Everybody chose a direction then and very few are going to be changing that direction two years in when there isnt even really an FA. All players expire next year (which is insane). so into next season people will start trying to win. The only real movers and shakers are gonna be the people that failed to win when trying to. Everybody had a shot at most of these players and chose somebody else. They all have the same deals, all the same length, there just isnt huge motivation to make big swings until things shake out. yea trading is just stagnant right now because we just started. things will pick up once we have a few more drafts and some real FA classes |
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Post by Meathead on Dec 27, 2023 16:30:51 GMT -8
i mean if pippen is allowed at sg and kg at sf then yea might as well loosen up the rules for everyone. just no SF at PG type shit imo. A- rebounding PGs are too big of an advantage KG was a SF in the file tho |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Dec 27, 2023 16:31:17 GMT -8
yes, we shouldnt let bigs play SF either with that. The solution is not, give them all shit perimeter d though because that makes scoring bigs more and more inefficient. not sure what perimeter defense has to tdo with their efficiency. but yea if you want to play a B+ or A- big at SF then there needs to be some kind of penalty if outside shooting gets me wings shooting 45% from three, it makes playing scoring bigs that much worse, because they do like 54% TS or so, whereas wings shoot 58-60% TS |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Dec 27, 2023 16:32:34 GMT -8
yes, we shouldnt let bigs play SF either with that. The solution is not, give them all shit perimeter d though because that makes scoring bigs more and more inefficient. not sure what perimeter defense has to tdo with their efficiency. but yea if you want to play a B+ or A- big at SF then there needs to be some kind of penalty The penalty on this is of course, they dont have a three point shot and so are pretty shitty offensively |
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Post by nybombers3 on Dec 27, 2023 16:33:11 GMT -8
I dont understand the bitching about the market though, its the same shit in any creation draft. Everybody chose a direction then and very few are going to be changing that direction two years in when there isnt even really an FA. All players expire next year (which is insane). so into next season people will start trying to win. The only real movers and shakers are gonna be the people that failed to win when trying to. Everybody had a shot at most of these players and chose somebody else. They all have the same deals, all the same length, there just isnt huge motivation to make big swings until things shake out. Yeah. Things will start by this offseason IMO. Nothing wild but I can see deals flowing a bit more. |
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Post by lumley316 on Dec 27, 2023 17:28:19 GMT -8
no just makes wings better on the wing as they should be. its dumb if everyone is starting a big at sf Well many do or put at sg. |
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Post by lumley316 on Dec 27, 2023 17:31:43 GMT -8
I dont understand the bitching about the market though, its the same shit in any creation draft. Everybody chose a direction then and very few are going to be changing that direction two years in when there isnt even really an FA. All players expire next year (which is insane). so into next season people will start trying to win. The only real movers and shakers are gonna be the people that failed to win when trying to. Everybody had a shot at most of these players and chose somebody else. They all have the same deals, all the same length, there just isnt huge motivation to make big swings until things shake out. Yeah. Things will start by this offseason IMO. Nothing wild but I can see deals flowing a bit more. If all the 35 plus year old stars retire there will be no one to trade for lol |
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Post by Jayda on Dec 27, 2023 19:02:52 GMT -8
I picked my guys i liked I’m sure others did the same. Just cus there are not many trades doesn’t mean the league isn’t active only 3 teams without a DC is pretty active. There has been numerous articles. Just ride the wave
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Post by Spencer on Dec 27, 2023 19:53:36 GMT -8
Can we revisit this for this next year? As written, it zaps a lot of the DC creativity one can perform with wing players. I understand there were grievances when the file last time around got pretty inflated, and we had monster rebounders at the wing but there has to be a middle ground here. I would be happy with some type of rule that would be specifically made for playoff only DC's as well. Im.not sure what youre asking for. |
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Post by DBW on Dec 27, 2023 21:57:28 GMT -8
I dont understand the bitching about the market though, its the same shit in any creation draft. Everybody chose a direction then and very few are going to be changing that direction two years in when there isnt even really an FA. All players expire next year (which is insane). so into next season people will start trying to win. The only real movers and shakers are gonna be the people that failed to win when trying to. Everybody had a shot at most of these players and chose somebody else. They all have the same deals, all the same length, there just isnt huge motivation to make big swings until things shake out. I kinda thought this was true but I got time today so I looked at BBS2020. In the same time frame as this league, they more than doubled the amount of trades and it seems they had many meaningful, blockbuster deals. This can possibly be explained by general excitement in returning to FBB for many of the GMs then, but regardless I don't think trades will go crazy like y'all think. It will pick up once the 1st CYs roll around but then we'll go back to complaining again. This GM group don't trade. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 27, 2023 22:04:22 GMT -8
BBS2020 was way more active early. It was COVID too.
I think this is more a symptom of what Broph said, direction.
Usually teams are switching directions every year. Now there are half the teams competing and the other have tanking.
Things will pick up in the next 2 offseasons.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 27, 2023 22:04:59 GMT -8
IM open to position rules or changes but I need more info on what were trying to fix. I dont think its harder to trade because Rick Fox can only play SF though.
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Post by Braz on Dec 28, 2023 0:02:21 GMT -8
Trades will flow when A) Habes makes trades B) Skillz comes back C)someone trades with me or Mike D) Other
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Post by Respected GM on Dec 28, 2023 1:22:25 GMT -8
IM open to position rules or changes but I need more info on what were trying to fix. I dont think its harder to trade because Rick Fox can only play SF though. I mean, there are offers I have had to reject because Rick Fox has to play SF and deals would need to be bigger in order to make sense. |
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Post by Respected GM on Dec 28, 2023 1:26:59 GMT -8
and the PG rule cant leave because the game is literally broken, just go find some low turnover low passing shooter and boom, elite PG. I always resent this argument. If it is that important to fielding a winning team then go find a player who has these skills. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 28, 2023 7:18:59 GMT -8
IM open to position rules or changes but I need more info on what were trying to fix. I dont think its harder to trade because Rick Fox can only play SF though. I mean, there are offers I have had to reject because Rick Fox has to play SF and deals would need to be bigger in order to make sense. Then you make a 2nd trade I mean i get it isnt easy but were trying to create a different product with more equality amoung positions. Ive been in a million leagues and sometimes you have to make 3 trades not 1. You trade a sg for a pf or c and trade your bigs for smalls. Obe trade doesnt always do it |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 28, 2023 7:19:57 GMT -8
And i still havent heard exactly what you want.
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Post by Respected GM on Dec 28, 2023 7:26:28 GMT -8
And i still havent heard exactly what you want. Some thoughts for the next season. 1. Wings are interchangeable. 2. Bigs can play small. 3. Playoff DC's you can be allowed to do whatever you want with your DC. This can be stretched out to abolishment of the PG Rule or not. 4. Abolishment of the PG Rule in general. |
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Post by Braz on Dec 28, 2023 7:54:08 GMT -8
So your proposing looser dcs for playoffs vs reg season ?
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Post by Respected GM on Dec 28, 2023 7:55:18 GMT -8
So your proposing looser dcs for playoffs vs reg season ? I am not really proposing anything, just making some potential suggestions. That's one of them. |
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Post by Braz on Dec 28, 2023 7:56:35 GMT -8
Unrelated but in the past I’ve loved live sims. Idk if it would work with Spencer’s schedule but would be really cool if we did it for playoffs or even just the last two rounds.
Good for activity.
Could do like a set time. Be on make dc changes. Post one game at a time. Live sim attendees get rewards.
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